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I am new to this forum and would welcome some advice on what appears to be a common engine problem with the astra 1.4t.
I have a 2017 automatic turbo 1.4 Astra with 52k miles and fsh with a Vauxhall.
On boxing Day I noticed intermittent lumpy acceleration and idling near the end of a journey back from my in-laws.
And service ESC warning on the dash. The next morning I drove the car around the block and it appeared to be ok. Later that day I went out locally in the car and noticed the same problem again. I called my Vauxhall dealer that services the car but could be seen for 2 weeks as was Christmas. I called a mobile mechanic who came out and
 

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And ?.. I think we know where you are coming from and LSPI is to blame. Have a look on recent threads re LSPI , never usually good news when this appears especially on a 4/5 year old car I’m afraid.
 

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Looks like an earlier version of my message has posted.
Yes my experience is the same as many others.
Out of the blue an intermittent juddering on acceleration reporting error p0301 misfire on cylinder 1.
Take to dealer and they say the engine needs to be replaced due to broken piston in cylinder 1 and cost will be £6.6k but Vauxhall will contribute 30%.
I ask for more contribution as appears to be an engine defect and I have full dealer service history.
Dealer comes back and says Vauxhall want dealer to investigate inside the engine what the problem is and to do that I must pay £720. And unless this is done I cannot get 30% contribution.
So vauxhall do not trust that dealer knows what the problem is and why the engine needs to be replaced but to find out I must pay as it is my engine.
Overall I have to pay £120 for diags, £720 for engine check and if new engine required £5k for new engine including 30% Vauxhall contribution.
V byauxhall and dealer say this is a rare problem and forums only post the small % that have this problem out of the many Astra's on the road and that I was unlucky.
And by the way if you do want to pay the £720 we can do you a deal on a new or used car part exchanging your 7.5k car before the engine problem for 2.5k.
My only option now that makes any sense is to get a local garage to fit a reconditioned engine and sell it for a more reliable automatic car.
 

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all too common on here , but not so much on the auto.
Your last 2 lines are exactly what you should do . Too many on here have had similar issues as yours over the years. You’ve experienced the unfortunate side of owning the 1.4t engine. The dreaded LSPI has reared its ugly head again….source a 2nd engine and get rid asap. And I would change make if after an auto.
 

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I will never drive a vauxhall again after this experience. Not just because of the engine problem but mainly because of the way I have been treated. Customer service on this rated at 0%.
 

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I will never drive a vauxhall again after this experience. Not just because of the engine problem but mainly because of the way I have been treated. Customer service on this rated at 0%.
Do you have a full vauxhall service history? They seem to be offering larger contributions when you have, even though as we know on here, it's an known common problem on this engine.
 

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Yes I have full history with the Vauxhall dealer.
They say 30% contribution is based in year, mileage and fsh.
Appears to be little consistency here.
I have posted problem on local community board on FB and withing 15 mins a local mechanic has said he had the exact same engine problem in December on a 1.4t but they could not source a reconditioned engine and had to send it away to Ivor Searle for reconditioning. Took 20 days to come back. Not sure if these engine problems can always be fixed.
 

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Yes I have full history with the Vauxhall dealer.
They say 30% contribution is based in year, mileage and fsh.
Appears to be little consistency here.
I have posted problem on local community board on FB and withing 15 mins a local mechanic has said he had the exact same engine problem in December on a 1.4t but they could not source a reconditioned engine and had to send it away to Ivor Searle for reconditioning. Took 20 days to come back. Not sure if these engine problems can always be fixed.
Have you tried pushing vauxhall customer services for more? I have heard of others on here gaining larger contributions within the past, some less too. Probably best to put it in writing too.
Other option buy a used engine, have it fitted and sell the car.
There was an vauxhall ECU update to these engines within 2018 to try and limit lspi related damage from happening, unfortunately within my opinion it seems to be a bit too late for the earlier engines.
 

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I have given up on Vauxhall as too stressful.
Already checking local mechanics for a fix and then sell as you suggest.
 

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I have given up on Vauxhall as too stressful.
Already checking local mechanics for a fix and then sell as you suggest.
I don't blame you, they've certainly seemed to have tightened their belts since Stellantis have took over. A 30% contribution is very poor within my opinion, considering you have a fvsh, it's a known issue.
Did you ever hear any lspi events occur?
I own an 2018 1.4t auto too, but have recently took out the vaux extended warranty just in case, but I've not heard any lspi events so far, think mine had the lspi update from factory done.
 

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What would I hear from an lspi event?
The car was running fine before the first juddering and then collapsed very quickly.
It was shocking how quickly things went pear shaped with little warning.
The car has been doing a 15 min drive to work and back each weekday and has only had normal grade unleaded not super.
But at no point was there any warning anything was wrong.
I was very happy with the the car before this happened.
 

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What would I hear from an lspi event?
The car was running fine before the first juddering and then collapsed very quickly.
It was shocking how quickly things went pear shaped with little warning.
The car has been doing a 15 min drive to work and back each weekday and has only had normal grade unleaded not super.
But at no point was there any warning anything was wrong.
I was very happy with the the car before this happened.
I've always used regular unleaded too, what this engine was supposed to be designed to run on. No engine pinking type sounds prior to this issue occuring then? Did your engine use any oil? Mine uses no e between changes up to now. Also 18 on.engines are now using 0w 20 oil.
There's nothing you could have done about within my opinion, as it's an auto after all, it changes gear for you after all. Just down to bad engine design I'm afraid.
If you are looking to sell it, I'd be tempted to put an used engine into it. No idea what it would be worth, as is?
 

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Ok I have booked the car to be seen by a local mechanic recommended on my local FB community board. When I called him to discuss he said he had the same issue with an astra last month. And Vauxhall say this problem is rare and I was unlucky. What were the chances then of my local garage in a small village in South west Surrey having the same issue in the last month with the same car.
If this is a case of how you drive and maintain the car, i.e. premium fuel and not used exclusively for short trips to work then the dealer should inform the owner when they buy the car. But of course that requires them accepting there is an issue regarding lspi.
Anyway the local garage says they can open up the engine to check if the piston is broken, something the dealer would only do if I paid £720. If it is a broken piston they will send the engine off to be repaired. Cost £1k + vat + the cost of the engine repair which was paid for under warranty the last time.
 

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Ok I have booked the car to be seen by a local mechanic recommended on my local FB community board. When I called him to discuss he said he had the same issue with an astra last month. And Vauxhall say this problem is rare and I was unlucky. What were the chances then of my local garage in a small village in South west Surrey having the same issue in the last month with the same car.
If this is a case of how you drive and maintain the car, i.e. premium fuel and not used exclusively for short trips to work then the dealer should inform the owner when they buy the car. But of course that requires them accepting there is an issue regarding lspi.
Anyway the local garage says they can open up the engine to check if the piston is broken, something the dealer would only do if I paid £720. If it is a broken piston they will send the engine off to be repaired. Cost £1k + vat + the cost of the engine repair which was paid for under warranty the last time.
No it's not a rare event, common in fact, not that Vauxhall would want to admit that.
Sounds like you've got a plan then, good luck with it and keep us posted.
 

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There seems to be little consistency in how Vauxhall deal with these, but you're definitely doing the right thing taking it to an independent garage. I wish I hadn't wasted all this time hoping for some help from Vauxhall, been without a car for about 7 weeks now! I had the problem at the end of November and opened a case through customer care, initially being told to expect a "significant contribution" based on my service history, then eventually getting offered nothing due to two services not carried out by a Vauxhall dealer, which I told them from the start. Emailed the CEO which started a full review of my case and a couple of weeks of back and forth with them and eventually the best they offered was a "goodwill gesture" amounting to about £900 or around 20% of the cost. Total cost I was quoted without the gesture was £4,500, I guess it's different with different dealers in different parts of the country.
Best I can find online for a used engine is around £1,500. Hope you don't buy the one I've got my eye on! Hope you get sorted soon though. It's one of those nightmare stories you think won't happen to you, but if you have a 1.4T unfortunately the chances are it will, just wish I'd known beforehand!

It'll be interesting to know if your engine is repairable, I have a local engine specialist offering to strip mine down and possibly repair it but I was thinking I might have been better off just getting a used one and getting it swapped without the extra stripping down and investigations.

Let us know how it goes and good luck.
 

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My local mechanic had exactly the same problem over Christmas with a 1.4t.
Quite a coincidence.
For that one he could not source an engine so sent it to Ivor Searle who repaired it.
That engine was under warranty.
He is going to look at my engine and let me know if it also needs the same repair i.e. broken piston.
Vauxhall wanted £720 to look in the engine for the cause and originally said I need a new engine based on low compression from cylinder 1 only.
 

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I cant believe it’s been around 4 years now when I first came across LSPI on these vehicles.
Quite a few of our lease cars failed with LSPI resulting in new engines (thank god Under warranty).
I know owners who have had the new oil in along with the ecu update and still experience LSPI . Just waiting for them to go bang sometime.
SERIOUS SERIOUS flaw , Vauxhall don’t want to know so it’s all on the owner.
Ive said it for years but any potential 1.4t owners PLEASE do their homework before buying.
A 1.6t or 1.0t would be a far better option. I’ve had both of these and whilst the early 1.0t was showing signs of LSPI as well the 1.6t was superb.
VW / SEAT / AUDI equivalent 1.4 is fantastic in 150bhp form - far Superior to the VX engine.
 

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My local mechanic had exactly the same problem over Christmas with a 1.4t.
Quite a coincidence.
For that one he could not source an engine so sent it to Ivor Searle who repaired it.
That engine was under warranty.
He is going to look at my engine and let me know if it also needs the same repair i.e. broken piston.
Vauxhall wanted £720 to look in the engine for the cause and originally said I need a new engine based on low compression from cylinder 1 only.
Just as well you know of a decent mechanic, charges reasonable rates, to which you could trust.
I cant believe it’s been around 4 years now when I first came across LSPI on these vehicles.
Quite a few of our lease cars failed with LSPI resulting in new engines (thank god Under warranty).
I know owners who have had the new oil in along with the ecu update and still experience LSPI . Just waiting for them to go bang sometime.
SERIOUS SERIOUS flaw , Vauxhall don’t want to know so it’s all on the owner.
Ive said it for years but any potential 1.4t owners PLEASE do their homework before buying.
A 1.6t or 1.0t would be a far better option. I’ve had both of these and whilst the early 1.0t was showing signs of LSPI as well the 1.6t was superb.
VW / SEAT / AUDI equivalent 1.4 is fantastic in 150bhp form - far Superior to the VX engine.
Stellantis seem to be getting tighter too with their good will gestures, even if you have a fvsh outside of manufacturers warranty. So if you are not going to take out an vauxhall extended warranty I now see very little point to keep it in-house servicing.
I'm just waiting to see if any of the 18 plate on 1.4t engines go pop, main reason I have extended my vauxhall warranty now, don't want to take the risk.
Disgusting really that Stellantis are not picking up the bill for all those badly designed 1.4t engines.
 
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